Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:59PM20 comments ›
Mon Jul 28, 2008 — by Van Jensen
Who'll Be the Next 'Batman' Villain?
Riddler may have already appeared in 'Dark Knight'
It appears the villains of The Dark Knight, the latest installment in the Batman movie franchise, won't return, as Aaron Eckhart's Harvey Dent appears to be killed off and Heath Ledger's untimely death makes it impossible for him to return his version of the Joker.
So, the obvious question becomes "who's next?"
One blogger at Doomkopf thinks we may have already seen him:
...actor Joshua Harto plays Mr. Reese in “The Dark Knight,” an employee for Wayne Enterprises who comes to the conclusion that Batman is actually Bruce Wayne. Oh, and, it’s not like I’m spoiling anything; everybody and their dog has seen this movie already. He eventually gets targeted by the Joker before he can share his secret, after which he’s summarily pushed out of the movie after Bruce Wayne saves his life and gives him one hell of an evil eye. It’s either a loose end that never got tied up, or it’s a sign that he’ll be back in future movies.
Now, isn’t that kind of like Edward Nigma’s origin? Ex-employee to Wayne Enterprises, grown bitter, and seeking revenge against his former employer? And, ditching the lame “enigma” joke would be a step in the right direction, though another clue presents itself when you think about it for a second. His name in this movie is Mr. Reese. Mysteries. I’d say I might be on to something.
Mr. Reese... Mysteries. Clever.
However, a viral marketing campaign for Dark Knight might indicate the people behind the film were making much-less subtle hints to the Riddler's whereabouts, as Edward Nashton (an alias of the Riddler) "wrote" a letter to the editor at the Gotham Times Web site.
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Comments (20)
Vinnie Bartilucci (6:23 PM on Mon Jul 28, 2008)
Since they've gone to the trouble of setting Batman as being on the run from the police, we'll see that followed up on. Gotham is now a city divided. Some people still supporting Batman, whether they believe the fact that he killed cops or not, and some who feel they were betrayed.
We'll see a character come along who promises to bring Batman in. A character who was initially inspired by Batman's ideal, but later realized he's been tricked. One who's been able to bring in criminals without hurting anyone, and stay a step ahead of the Batman.
Dick Grayson.
Grayson's parents were killed by Maroni's men some years ago. He was made a ward of the owner of the circus. He's helped manage the circus for a while now. He's marketed the circus as a fashion brand (think Circe de Soleil) designed a line of athletic wear and is a fairly succesful businessman in Gotham. He's friends with Bruce Wayne (Bruce heard about how his parents died, and has been a supporter of his endeavors ever since) and are often seen at the same parties.
The police (or at least Gordon's team) will be in the position of having to stop a guy who's gaining popularity with the public, because he "doesn't know the truth".
Batman will realize the mysterious new vigilante has connections to the circus. This will make him think he's got a connection to the Joker. He'll be afraid it's all a plot, and will take more extreme steps to stop him than he has before.
Dick Grayson is what Bruce could have been. Bruce had no family to help him though his pain, Dick did. Dick used his wealth to help the unfortunate victims of violent crime in Gotham directly; Bruce is making sure it doesn't happen again. once again, we have a mirror held up to Batman and his actions, which they seem to like to do.
Charles Davis (9:41 AM on Tue Jul 29, 2008)
Dick Grayson was the first Robin, you can't bring Nightwing into the mix without the whole Robin issue and why him and Batman stopped working together.
Shane Kelly (7:04 PM on Mon Jul 28, 2008)
Actually, they don't really close the whole Harvey Dent being dead thing...Remember the height from which he dropped Maroni...Furthermore, no one else is really aware of the shape Dent was in after the kidnapping incident, and that they wanted to keep his name and message clean, as an example for others to follow. Hence, why Batman spoke with Gordon about telling people that he was to be blamed...not Harvey.
I see it as Dent being spirited away to Arkham, to begin a rehabilitation program, to clean himself up. All does not go well, when Two-Face escapes to the underground, where he takes over for the mob, finds Mr. Reese and is informed of Batman's alter ego. Dent then goes on a crusade to destroying everything regarding Batman and Bruce Wayne...and on and on...All the while the cops are after Batman, attempting to bait and entrap him...Rival mobs attempt to hire colorful bounty hunters (i.e Deadshot, Deathstoke, and the like, because the Joker did a pretty good job, so why not hire other freaks) to do what everyone else seems to be doing...Bringing in or killing the Batman.
Van Jensen (10:28 PM on Mon Jul 28, 2008)
Note my use of "appears."
Allan Lamberti (8:00 PM on Mon Jul 28, 2008)
don't forget the sly "cat"woman reference in the film - not as blatant as the joker in "begins," but it's there
an idea i came up with is...what if the next movie is set 5 or 10 years in the future, significantly more than a year like the first two installments? you could easily call the film "the dark knight returns," but you certainly don't have to do something like the comic of the same name - gotham is worse than it has ever been because bruce wayne stopped being batman for such a long time - you gray up christian bale to make him a bit older - and you build a story from that
Tom Fitzpatrick (11:45 PM on Mon Jul 28, 2008)
I seem to remember Christopher Nolan saying in a interview (Batman Begins) that he wasn't going to use Robin in any of his films.
Hope that remains true. Never did like Robin (comic or film or tv-wise).
Anonymous (3:26 PM on Mon Aug 4, 2008)
I think I remember hearing somewhere that Christian Bale said upfront that he would not be in any movie that had Robin in. Something about taking away from the darkness...
Douglass Abramson (1:05 AM on Tue Jul 29, 2008)
The Riddler origin that you're remembering is the Batman Forever movie origin. It has nothing to do with the comic book version and I don't think that anybody doing these movies wants to do anything that Schumacher did.
Van Jensen (8:29 AM on Tue Jul 29, 2008)
Not sure if the "you're" is pointed my way, but I wanted to clarify that this comes from another blog, not me. Still, it would be clever.
David (5:14 PM on Tue Jul 29, 2008)
I've read that David Tennant is interested in playing the Riddler. I'm hoping that after he's done with the Doctor he can do that. He made a great villian in Secret Smile and Harry Potter.
Nathan Strawn (5:09 PM on Thu Jul 31, 2008)
First off, i just dont think harvey dent or the joker will return in any more of the movies. Think about it, harvey dent was obviously dead, they showed the funeral and with the joker well, R.I.P Heath Ledger, u did a great job but i dont think anyone wants to follow up after his terrific performance. The second thing, you notice that the majority of the actors are British, so u know the next bad guy is going to be British or at least that's what is has lead me to believe. I think the next bad guy is going to be the Riddler, a very interesting, not to convictive, but christopher nolan can definitely make him dark. Now there are many british actors like jude law, orlando bloom, ewin mcgregor and ralph fiennes in my idea would be good choices. But if i could pick anyone who looks crazy in the head and would be an ideal candidate for this position, it would be Guy Pearce. And if you've heard of him, then you know how good he is. Nolan already worked with him in the amazing movie Memento and looks like he can freak people out. I think he would be amazing as the riddler and even reminds me of him, just throwing out the suggestion, what do the rest of u think?
in too deep (8:49 PM on Sun Aug 3, 2008)
apparently the british actor david tennant has been rumoured to be the riddler, but i think it may the disgruntled employee who threatened to show batman is bruce wayne. He may be let go from wayne enterprises and change his name to Edward Nigma, the riddler, this is just a guess it probs wont be right but aw well, just wanted to tll of the roumor that david tennant may be the riddler.
andrew sosa (2:49 PM on Fri Aug 1, 2008)
the movie should take place some time after the dark knight and show how BAD gotham has become do to what has hapened in the dark knight and all the new villians that flooded over the years by showing arkam with top villians like mr freze clayface joker and whoever else locked away in maxium security and two face should be locked away secretly ras ah gul should return in recarnation or his daughter and he/her should find out about what harvey dent has become and will bust him out to show the word twoface
the wayne mansion should be fully rebuilt with a full batcave and a new batmobile
Anonymous (3:36 PM on Sun Aug 3, 2008)
Take a breath.
capt howdy (12:33 AM on Mon Aug 11, 2008)
well i dont think it will be Mr Reese to play the joker. it doesnt fit really. think about it. edward nigma was a scientist with wayne enterprise. not a bean counter. what about these supervillains like The monk, the hangman, or doctor death. they are some of the dark knights first super villains.
Anonymous (6:56 AM on Sat Aug 9, 2008)
Honestly I think that what most of you have said could be in part true. By this i would like to remember to you all that the peculiarity that made both batman begins and the dark knight have such a great public was the fact that Nolan made the characters look real. I mean that they could have been real in our society. This is what people like now, not anymore like in the 1990's when there were all those villains with super powers or paranormal actions (poison ivy, clayface, freeze, bane and so on...)
Robin is out of the series as Nolan said before doing batman begins, so no one has to worry about that. The only real characters who are listed as not being super human are the penguin and the riddler, (which i really hate both), catwoman could be in it but the fact that she can climb walls and skyscrapes doesnt really help the matter, even she has something not normal...
but this is what i think, if Nolan wants to put other characters up there its his own choice...
but i once again think that reality is better paranormal activities...
Ricardo (9:22 PM on Fri Aug 15, 2008)
I want ::
The Riddler- Johnny Depp
Poison Ivy- Helena Bonham-Carter
Anonymous (4:12 PM on Sat Oct 11, 2008)
The Mad Hatter - William Moseley?
Or Black Mask - Doug Jones (voice provided by a Computer sppech function or something)
Or Hugo Strange (his name might need changed to sound more 'realistic') - Tim Curry
Nick (6:27 PM on Wed Aug 6, 2008)
I keep thinking back to " I am Legend". Towards the beginning of the movie the there is a poster for Batman and superman. "I am Legend takes place in 2010 which would be about perfect for the next Batman release. Who else better to save Batman's Rep then Superman
Anonymous (10:24 AM on Wed Aug 6, 2008)
If in the next film they have the Riddler as the new villain, they should either also introduce Catwoman or Bane as a secondary villain for the film. Each would bring something new to the story---Catwoman could be a new love interest for Batman or simply someone who is bordering between being a villain or helping batman. As for Bane--in the comic books, Bane was the only one to actually 'break' the Batman--snapping Batman's spine and leaving the city of Gotham in Bane's rule--also, if Bane worked together with the Riddler--they would have both brains and brawn--a perfect team.