Joe Corallo: Knowing Your Place
The other day at a comic shop I saw a flier for the upcoming Patsy Walker, A.K.A. Hellcat! #1. It was advertised having writer Kate Leth and artist Brittney Williams attached. I think it’s great that the two of them are on this book, as I enjoy the work they’ve put out over at BOOM! Studios. However, it did start getting me thinking about the direction the comic industry is going. A direction that it may not want to go in.
We’ve seen the big two added more books with a woman lead. This has been great. A lot of them have at least one woman creator attached as well. We should absolutely be thrilled by that and support those efforts.
Just off the top of my head I can think of Amy Reeder on Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, Kelly Sue Deconnick’s recent Captain Marvel run, G. Willow Wilson and and Sana Amanat’s work on the new Ms. Marvel, Marguerite Bennett on the all woman’s Avengers team titled A-Force, and of course Patsy Walker, A.K.A. Hellcat! just at Marvel.
Over at DC we have Amanda Conner on Harley Quinn, Amy Chu on Poison Ivy, Ann Nocenti followed up by Genevieve Valentine on Catwoman, Gail Simone followed up by Babs Tarr on Batgirl, Meredith Finch on Wonder Woman, Annie Wu on Black Canary, Marguerite Bennett and Marguerite Sauvage on DC Bombshells and Emanuela Lupacchino on Starfire.
That’s a pretty hefty list for right off the top of my head, and I could have even missed one or two. We should be proud of the comic industry for having more women being involved in the creative process. However, you’ll also see the problem I was getting at before. All of the women creators are working on comics starring women… and not much else.
Just to be clear, I am not at all speaking on behalf of any of the creators listed, or making any judgments on the work they choose to do. I think they’ve been doing incredible work, and I’ve picked up most of the mentioned titles that are currently available. My concern lies with the pattern of the big two pairing up women on women lead books while not doing that with books that have a man in the lead.
It’s very possible that some of these instances they asked creators the characters they wanted to work with and these are the results we have. I highly doubt that was every single instance. We have had a long history of men, particularly straight cis white men, writing women in comics. Many of which have been great. I thoroughly enjoyed Charles Soule on She-Hulk and Brian Azzarello on Wonder Woman. However, I’m starting to get concerned that we’re moving more towards compartmentalizing creative teams, and that’s not a good thing.
How many women can you name who’ve worked on Batman? Sure, you might have thought Devin Grayson right off the bat. You’ll probably be racking your brain for a while after that though. Becky Cloonan did a fill in issue on Scott Snyder’s run a few years ago. And yes, Genevieve Valentine is currently one of the eight writers on Batman and Robin Eternal, the other seven being men. We haven’t had a woman creator have a lengthy run on either Batman or Detective Comics. Mostly fill-ins.
Okay, how about Superman? Louise Simonson had a huge impact on the character. She was integral to the Death of Superman storyline, and she created Steel. You’re gonna need to think real long and hard to come up with too many more names than that. Sure, Ramona Fradon did many of the Super Friends comics, but that’s most of it. Justice League comics are even more male dominated. As are The Flash, Green Lantern, and so forth. Ramona did work plenty on Aquaman and Plastic Man, but we did already mention her.
How about over at Marvel? Let’s start with Spider-Man. Sara Pichelli did co-create Miles Morales with Bendis, but beyond that there isn’t much else. Louise Simonson did some work on Spider-man as well, but I did already mention her with Superman. And those examples aren’t exactly examples of long runs on Amazing Spider-Man or even Spectacular Spider-man.
And the X-Men? Louise Simonson and Ann Nocenti did a lot of work in the X-Universe, but again, both of them have already been mentioned for other contributions. I can also add Majorie Liu for her work on Astonishing X-Men, but you get the idea.
Again, to clarify, I am not knocking or belittling any of the contributions these creators have made. I admire the work they have all done and continue to do. I’m highlighting all of this to make the point that this is still a very male dominated industry, that women have not had all the same opportunities over the years as men whether it was deliberate or not, and that this should change. I also understand that the comic book industry is small. Smaller than I think we realize sometimes. Even still, this situation could be better.
I’m not asking for Superman to spin the earth backwards in time and fire the DC editorial teams of yesterday and replace them all with women. I’m not asking for Kitty Pryde to project herself back in time to do the same thing at Marvel. The past is the past. It was a different time, and there is very little we can do just dwelling on that. What we do have to do is acknowledge the past and understand it as we move forward.
I think Scott Snyder is doing great things with Batman, but maybe when he’s done with the title Genevieve Valentine or Amy Chu might have some great ideas of where to take him next. After seeing the kind of work that Amy Reeder has done on her title Rocket Girl with Image, maybe she’s got a great run for someone like Iron Man that she could be working on. Maybe the next big Superman creator will be a woman none of us have heard of yet.
I believe the best stories are yet to come. Many of the popular comic characters are decades old and have mostly been handled by male creators. One way to revitalize these decades old characters would be to get creators with different perspectives.
As a queer man have enjoyed a great deal of comics that involve exclusively straight characters. People from all backgrounds enjoy all sorts of stories. Someone with a different background could help flesh out other characters in these stories as well. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and many others have both men and women in their stories, and people from all walks of life.
It’s not only important to have representation in the main character or characters, but characters off to the sides and in the backgrounds as well. More women tackling comics like those I mentioned could be a way to help revitalize these titles, and hope it’s something that’s being considered.
Joe, I wrote a TALES OF THE GREEN LANTERN CORP story, a SUPERMAN, and various LEGION titles–actually I worte a Tales of the Legion (well, I scripted it over Paul’s plot) in which Sun Boy, the Legion “Romeo” and womanizer, got his “comeuppance.” But I’ve always just naturally gravitated towards the women characters in comics–can’t explain it, I didn’t do it as a statement…well, I don’t think I did, but who knows what was going in my subconscious? :-)
BUT…I do think that when a woman writes a woman, a gay person writes a gay character, or a transgender person writes a transgender character, there’s can just a little bit “more” there, know what I mean?
But I would never put anyone in a box.
The truly GREAT writers can write anybody. Alan Moore in comics, for instance. As for novels: Emma Bovary, Anna Karenina were written by men. Rhett Butler and Ashley Wilkes were written by a woman. (These examples are just off the top of my head.
Mark Waid recently got into trouble for STRANGE FRUIT, his (science fiction) take on being a black man in the early 20th century South. And you should look up the column I wrote in which I tried to defend him. Holy shit, did the trolls come out!
Hey Mindy!
I was aware of your contributions, particularly your Tales of the Legion as I’m a pretty big Legion fan. I was talking more in terms of women who had the opportunity to work on full run or at least several consecutive issues of a comic like the ones I mentioned to really have an impact on the story and character, but I certainly didn’t intend to make you feel left out in any way if you did.
And it’s true, a great writer CAN write anybody, or almost anybody. But they have to be given that chance. I feel there are women in comics already that fit that category and should be given that chance, and many of them probably haven’t been asked to yet. Sure, a couple or so may have been asked to do a run on Batman or Superman or Spider-man etc and turned it down, but I imagine plenty of women writers or artists would have just the same passion and dedication to those stories and more. Hell, I’d love a crack at Supergirl or Wonder Woman myself.
I’ll have to check out that column later today too!
Joe, I CERTAINLY didn’t feel left out!!!!! Get that out of your head! :-)
I was given the opportunity to write a short run of WONDER WOMAN before the title ended and the wonderful George Perez rebooted her. It was not a happy experience. I talked about in an interview with Gail Simone…I’ll try to find it and post the link here. But I don’t think it had to do with my being a woman…it was just that my editor, Alan Gold, and I didn’t see, uh, “eye-to-eye.” He’s a great guy, but he was the type of editor who “fed” stories to the writer…
I do think that as more and more women enter the field that the opportunities will open up…it’s already happening. I don’t know if that glass ceiling, which is more like concrete, or that “diamond” wall that the Doctor kept punching/chipping at in HEAVEN SENT (the penultimate episode of Season 9) will ever truly get broken through–this is a discussion that I have been hearing and participating in since I first got into the field in 1983…32 years ago!
It tooK the Doctor MILLIONS of years to punch through that “diamond” wall. I don’t think it will take that long! :-)