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mike weber (12:19 PM on Tue Oct 21, 2008)

A female Terminator from the future shows up and gets into an all-out brawl with Cameron on an elevator. As the two proceed to beat the mother-loving heck out of each other, a family boards the elevator with the fighters. The robots cease their battle in some sort of attempt to avoid confrontation with the family, then resume their brawl after the family leaves. I can forgive that for Cameron, but the other woman is a straight up Terminator, no good guy programming or anything. She shouldn't have a code of ethics like Cameron does. The scene was put in purely for comedic effect, just a silly gag to get a few cheap laughs.

Perhaps an effort to avoid revealing the secret war that's going on to the general public?

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Josh Wigler (12:52 PM on Tue Oct 21, 2008)

In previous Terminator lore, that's never mattered. Look at the brawl that Arnold and the T-1000 have in the middle of the mall back in Terminator 2. T-1000 shoots right through people -- he doesn't care who sees him. Heck, even in this show, Cromartie has been seen going after John in public with obvious robot damage. The scene in last night's episode just felt really forced to me, and completely out of sync with previous Terminator scenes.

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Anonymous (12:21 PM on Thu Oct 23, 2008)

Have any of you thought that the Terminator sent to the doctor actually WAS good? If the doctor helps with Skynet's development, maybe she was sent to kill him. As Jesse proves, Connor's not the only one sending people back. What if someone thinks killing the doctor is best? After all, Cameron is of the same mindset - kill all those involved. She doesn't hesitate to kill someone if it gets the job done. But here, that family was totally irrelevant. So, they both stopped.

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Anonymous (7:45 PM on Sun Nov 2, 2008)

I agree with the last comment - that last Terminator was modified by someone other than Connor so behaved differently than the others that are sent back by the machines to seek and destroy anything that gets in the way of their mission, definitely more to that story than just some random fight in the lift between 2 machines.

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ctb (2:14 PM on Tue Oct 28, 2008)

1. There are sensible explanations are possible for fight suspension. The Machines may be correcting for past mistakes - it is to their benefit that humanity is not alerted to their existence. Creating immediate terror makes the target more elusive.

2. Don't understand the negative reviews or the poor audience reception. Yes the story arcs are complicated. But the intensity of the characters is amazing. The fact that there are multiple agendas existing makes the story more interesting not less. That the AI was telling a joke was a fascinating development and "Weaver"'s relationship with her "daughter" add another level of complexity. Will this relationship with a human child change "Weaver"? What if acting like you care makes you care?

3. I think this alternate reality is one of the most fully develop I have ever seen and I think it will be a mistake for Fox not to let it play out for the season.

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Anonymous (9:03 PM on Tue Oct 21, 2008)

Well...they did mention that it was a new model that was upgraded. Maybe this one has emotions? or at least a better understanding of it's situation and is trying to keep the "war" convert. I wonder if this new chick, Reese's gf, isn't part of some kind of human resistance fighting the Conner's in order to stop Skynet in the future. Reasoning on that is that everytime the Conners thwart Skynet in the present, things seem to get worst in the furture. Maybe they think if they can stop the Conners and make JDay happen without any resistance that the machines well be easier to defeat/unprepared in the future. Kinda weird idea but remember in the first movie the humans won and Arnold was sent to kill John/Sarah to weaken the future resistance; in T-3 J Day was delayed and the machines were better prepared because the first try to stop them in T-2 made them aware of the threat and forced them to spend more time/resources to ensure victory.

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