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Martha Thomases (10:03 AM on Wed Mar 12, 2008)

Progressives didn't universally espouse the Stokely Carmichael credo you cite. In fact, if there hadn't been disagreement, he wouldn't have made the statement in the first place. Robin Morgan, Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinem, Ellen Willis -- and lots more I can't remember off the top of my head -- were all active. My personal favorite quote from that era is Flo Kennedy's: If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

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mike weber (10:39 AM on Wed Mar 12, 2008)

Ti-Grace Atkinson, when a heckler yelled "Are you a lesbian?": "Are you the alternative?"

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Russ Rogers (4:55 PM on Wed Mar 12, 2008)

The Women Doing Comics List is at http://www.friends-lulu.org/wdc.php. The link above won't get you there because it's .html (Don't ask me what the difference is.)

I noticed that Jodi Picoult should be added to that list.

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Elayne Riggs (6:02 PM on Thu Mar 13, 2008)

Oops, thanks Russ! Well, when I did it, it was .html, I didn't realize Val moved everything into .php extensions. :) Yes, aside from Picoult there are LOTS of women who need to be added to the list, and I'm sure Val's working on it. I'm just glad I'm not maintaining it any more, it was pretty exhausting!

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Marilee J. Layman (10:33 PM on Wed Mar 12, 2008)

(had to sign in)

I was more active both with feminism and with anti-war before I had the big stroke. I don't even have much money to give anymore, but I do talk to the younger folk I know about why things are the way they are and how so many people have tried to change it. I talk to teens about war and why we shouldn't be in Iraq. And I wear buttons --some are new, some are from the 60s.

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Theora (4:08 AM on Sun Mar 16, 2008)

The Kwame Ture (formerly known as Stokely Carmichael) remark is taken out of context. It was a joke, according to people who were there.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0CE1D81E...
http://www.zmag.org/ZMagSite/Mar2004/engler0304.html

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Elayne Riggs (9:48 AM on Sun Mar 16, 2008)

If so, Theora, it was in extremely poor taste, at the expense of people who had little societal power at the time, and it should never have been uttered in any case. I no more give Ture a free pass than I'd give, say, Tex Antoine.

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Theora (1:26 PM on Sun Mar 16, 2008)

It was at the end of a lengthy joke in which he "railed against" several groups, including ones of which he was a part. He did not single women out. Yeah, sure, he shouldn't have said it. He probably would have been better off if he didn't make jokes, since you can guarantee someone will appropriate the words you said and not the meaning behind them. When speaking seriously, though, he has always acknowledged the strength and value of women in the civil rights movement.

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Anonymous (11:36 AM on Wed Mar 12, 2008)

What pray tell does this have to do with comics? Elayne, you don't even mention comics until paragraph 7, and it's a fleeting reference. I enjoy ComicMix, but these posts really are off-topic.

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