A Matter of Opinion, by John Ostrander

John Ostrander

John Ostrander started his career as a professional writer as a playwright. His best known effort, Bloody Bess, was directed by Stuart Gordon, and starred Dennis Franz, Joe Mantegna, William J. Norris, Meshach Taylor and Joe Mantegna. He has written some of the most important influential comic books of the past 25 years, including Batman, The Spectre, Manhunter, Firestorm, Hawkman, Suicide Squad, Wasteland, X-Men, and The Punisher, as well as Star Wars comics for Dark Horse. New episodes of his creator-owned series, GrimJack, which was first published by First Comics in the 1980s, appear every week on ComicMix.

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26 Responses

  1. Marc Alan Fishman says:

    Good thoughts John. Penny Arcade puts it best on their tee shirt: Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total Dickwad. The days of great debate are over. One of the caveats of my life, the very reason my three best friends are indeed my best friends is that we have opinions; And we can debate with one another in a rational way. Do we change each others' minds? From time to time. But with a media circus that is financially built on back pocket lies… how are we to take pundits as anything OTHER than unfunny versions of John Stewart and Stephen Colbert? Frankly we shouldn't. Good opinions are formed with education, research, environment, debate… But no one really gives that much effort to formulate their own. Case in (comics) point: Final Crisis or Secret Invasion. One or two issues into each, everyone is polarized. Yes in the end, staying with a comic until the end in order to formulate an opinion is the right thing (if not the most financially stable) to do. I bought all of Countdown before formulating my opinion that it was an atrocity. Some people call me stupid for that… but I buy a comic to be entertained. If there is a seed of an idea I'd like to see thru, I'll pay another 3 bucks to continue. When there exists no seeds left, I leave. I hope one day, when I'm sitting on a panel somewhere in some obscure comic convention, someone asks my opinion, so I too, will feel important. :) Good article John… but that's just my opinion.

    • Dave says:

      In my opinion, there are no "good"or "bad" opinions. Although some my perceive them as such.There are informed and uniformed opinions, but they are still only opinions which may still be interpreted by others as good or bad.Basically a good opinion is the one which comes closest to the one we have. However, I've often been impressed when someone is able to express their opinion in a manner which causes me to evaluate (and perhaps change) my own.An opinion is an opinion and it's not my place, or anyone else's, to judge someone based on what they believe.The only excepption I can see is when a person is in a position of authority high enough that their opinion can/will affect my life. Then it's more than a simple opinion – it's policy, and the fight is on. ;)My opinion – take it for what it's worth.

      • Martha Thomases says:

        Actually, if someone expresses an opinion for me to hear/read, then it is entirely my place to judge it. And to have mine judged in return. It's called "the free exchange of ideas," and it's pretty much the point of free speech.

  2. Russ Rogers says:

    Well, right after Russia invaded Georgia and hundreds, maybe thousands, were killed, my first thoughts weren't,"How will this affect the upcoming Beach Volleyball game between Russia and Georgia?" I'm sure glad there were professional commentators and broadcasters ready to expand my consciousness.Now I wonder, how much the withdrawal of Russian troops was motivated by the defeat of the Russian Volleyball team by the plucky Georgians, especially after being down a set? The final score 21-10, 20-22, 12-15. Some have tried to taint the victory, claiming that the team that beat Russia weren't really "Georgians." Is that just sour grapes?The Georgian team, Chagas and Santanna, are actually Brazilian by birth but recently obtained Georgian citizenship.They are competing under the Georgian names of Rtvelo and Saka, respectively, which, when combined, form the Georgian-language name for that country. As if they had changed their names to "George" and "Gia." Cute, eh?Now if only Home Depot or some other agent for the good ol' USA could convince Gold Medalist, Synchronized Divers, Wang Feng and Qin Kai to emigrate and change their names to "United States" and "Of America," we could have a winning diving team four years from now!Turning toward politics. Here in Minnesota, SNL and Air America Radio alum Al Franken is running against Bush-Lap-Dog Norm Coleman for US Senate. I would have only considered an article Franken penned for Playboy magazine eight years ago "off-color satire," but I've been repeatedly reminded by Coleman's campaign that while Coleman has been a faithful public servant for decades, Franken was off writing "juicy porn." It's finger-paint politics. Fine details on the issues don't matter, just smear, smear, smear! Whoever can create the more distorted and evil looking charicature of the other candidate WINS! And yeah, I called Coleman a "Lap-Dog." I'm not above occasionaly being a hypocrite.

  3. Mike Gold says:

    "…Davros who has just enunciated his master plan of destroying not just the Earth, not just the galaxy, not just the universe, but all of reality."As Lord Cumulus (John Heard) said to Prince Chaos (Tom Towles) in the classic Stuart Gordon / Bury St. Edmund play Warp, "Blow up the universe? Where are you going to live?"I should use this as an opportunity to plug the upcoming Munden's Bar story by Stuart Gordon, John Ostrander, and Mike Vosburg… but I wouldn't do that.

    • Russ Rogers says:

      You can't be talking about THE Stuart Gordon, founding artistic director of the Organic Theater Company in Chicago. Why that company debuted "Warp!" a sci-fi musical that was later adapted into a comic book for First Comics. (Remember them?) Was "Warp" the FIRST First Comic? OTC also premiered "Bloody Bess," a swashbuckling saga written by William J. Norris and John Ostrander. The younger Ostrander made his comics writing debut in a tiny Warp back-up, "The Dogs of War." (I'm doing this from memory. I'm a fan.) Why the Organic Theater Company even premiered David Mamet's "Sexual Perversity in Chicago," which was adapted to the big screen, but never made it to a comic book. Hey, what about a "Bloody Bess" comic!Why Warp was the comic that gave us "Cynosure," the greatest locale/plot device comics has ever seen. Better than the Phantom Zone. Better than the Bottle City of Kandor. Better than Gotham City! Yeah, I said it. My opinion! In your face, Kandor!And Mike Vosburg. Hmm. Voz created Zombie Love and Lori Lovecraft. Hmm. Worked on a little TV show called, "Tales From the Crypt." Won an Emmy for animating Spawn. Really. Wow. I see dead people.OK. Voz did Tales from the Crypt, Zombie Love and Lori Lovecraft. And Gordon is responsible for writing (again with Norris) and directing the horror classic, "Re-Animator." Maybe Zombies in Munden's? I guess we've seen Zuvembies. Why not! Gristly, ghastly, horror/sex/humor? All right. I'm hooked. When? When? When?

  4. Alan Coil says:

    A painting of a stopped clock is also right twice a day.

    • Dave says:

      Your comment reminds me of a game we played when I was young. Since 11:11 was the only time of day (twice) where all of the numbers were the same, at 11:11 AM, we would stop what we were doing for exactly one minute and wildly dance aroung the room. It was crazy, but a lot of fun.

      • Russ Rogers says:

        My wife says, "Eleven-eleven, make a wish!" It's like "find a penny" or "Slug Bug."And a stopped clock is EXACTLY right twice a day. A running clock is only approximately right most of the time, but rarely exactly right.

        • Alan Coil says:

          A clock is a timekeeping device. If it is not running, it is no longer a clock, but a piece of junk. It may be salvageable, at which point it becomes a clock again, or it may be kept for use as a door stop or a conversation piece, but it is no longer a clock.

          • Dave says:

            Alan,You've just contradicted yourself. According to your post at the beginning of this thread: "A painting of a stopped clock is also right twice a day." Now you've said: "If it is not running, it is no longer a clock, but a piece of junk." If a stopped clock is no longer a clock, then it can't be right twice a day.By the way, in my opinion, a clock is a clock whether it is running or not – just as a car is a car whether it is in use or in the garage, even though it is meant for transportation

          • John Ostrander says:

            A picture of a clock is not a clock. It's a picture. IMO. A picture of a car is not a car. You can drive a car. A pixture of naked woman is not a naked woman. You can. . .I think I'll stop right about here.

          • Dave says:

            Well, since a picture of a clock is not a clock, it can't be "right twice a day."

          • Dave says:

            By the way John, I love the length you went to with your post ;)

          • Alan Coil says:

            Repeating: A clock, a time keeping device, is no longer a clock if it is not keeping time. Even more so if it is a digital clock. ;)The hands of a non-working clock may be in a position that is representative of a moment in time, but so are the hands of a clock in a picture.

          • Russ Rogers says:

            As René Magritte would say, "Ce n'est pas une horloge."But it's a hard argument for a writer of fiction to make. Sometimes the representation of something is all that makes it real. "GrimJack" is not a hardboiled detective in a pan-dimensional city that lies at the nexus of all reality. It's a comic representation of a fiction of the Platonic Ideal of what a hardboiled detective in a pan-dimensional city that lies at the nexus of all reality might be. The only thing that makes "GrimJack" real is our willingness to believe (or suspend our disbelief) that "A picture of a clock IS a clock."This reminds me of one of my favorite jokes: A traveling salesman's car breaks down in the middle of nowhere. He ends up walking across miles of fields, trees and brush. He comes across a farmer in an apple orchard, holding a small pig in his arms. The farmer is lifting the pig up so that the little oinker can eat the apples right off the tree! The salesman is so struck and confused by this bizarre image, that forgets about his car. He sits down and watches the farmer hoist the pig from apple to apple for more than an hour. Finally the salesman says, "Excuse me. Uhm, wouldn't it take a lot less TIME if you just shook the tree and let the apples fall to the ground? Then the pig could just scurry about and eat all the apples he wants." The farmer takes off his hat, scratches his head and thinks for a minute. Then he says, "Yeah, but…what's time to a pig?" I don't know what it means. I just think it's funny.Sync two atomic clocks and set them next to each other for a year. After all that time, they will still be in sync. They will still agree on the time. But, take one of those clocks and fly it around the world on a jet. Bring it back to the same exact spot and the clocks will no longer agree, one will be "younger," relatively speaking.Time is squishy. It varies with gravity and speed. Here's an amazing article about a father who did a general relativity experiment with his kids on vacation! http://www.wired.com/print/science/discoveries/ne…And time isn't nearly as fluid as semantics or opinions.

          • Alan Coil says:

            Dave, I didn't contradict myself. The first statement was offered as a blatantly illogical statement for the purpose of argument.

          • Dave says:

            Alan, I kind of thought that might be where you were going with your first statement. Thanks for clearing that up.By the way, it looks like you got a bit of the argument (discussion) you were looking for. :)

  5. Mike Gold says:

    "You can't be talking about THE Stuart Gordon, founding artistic director of the Organic Theater Company in Chicago."Sure I can. Why not?"Why that company debuted "Warp!" a sci-fi musical that was later adapted into a comic book for First Comics. (Remember them?) Was "Warp" the FIRST First Comic?"Yup. But some of us — Joe Staton, Bruce Patterson, and me — did a comic book before that called "Weird Organic Tales.""OTC also premiered "Bloody Bess," a swashbuckling saga written by William J. Norris and John Ostrander. The younger Ostrander made his comics writing debut in a tiny Warp back-up, "The Dogs of War." (I'm doing this from memory. I'm a fan.)"Yep."Why the Organic Theater Company even premiered David Mamet's "Sexual Perversity in Chicago," which was adapted to the big screen, but never made it to a comic book. Hey, what about a "Bloody Bess" comic!"John and I discuss this concept roughly every Tuesday and Friday."Why Warp was the comic that gave us "Cynosure," the greatest locale/plot device comics has ever seen."We thank you for that. "We," including Rick Oliver and Peter B. Gillis and Joe Staton, who were in on that meeting. But Cynosure is "owned" by GrimJack."And Mike Vosburg. Hmm. Voz created Zombie Love and Lori Lovecraft. Hmm. Worked on a little TV show called, "Tales From the Crypt." Won an Emmy for animating Spawn."Mike also drew the Blackhawk Special that John and I plotted in a Norwalk CT restaurant back in the day. Sitting in a crowded restaurant, avidly debating JFK and RFK and mafia conspiracies. Long before the Department of Homeland Security…"Voz did Tales from the Crypt, Zombie Love and Lori Lovecraft. And Gordon is responsible for writing (again with Norris) and directing the horror classic, Re-Animator. Maybe Zombies in Munden's?"Nope."When? When? When?"Ah, that would be telling…!

  6. Alan Kistler says:

    At my own web-site last week, I wrote a post that centered around this idea (and a couple of others). Basically, I said that if someone's bothering you with their opinion or stupidity, step back and ask yourself if their remark is really worth it and if it will still affect you five years from now. If not, screw it. It's not worth the stress.

    • Dave says:

      I learned that lesson a long time ago when someone asked me that question. I'm a lot less stressed now.

  7. John Tebbel says:

    Oh, I get it. The answer is: You can't tell if a clock in a painting is running or not.Where's my prize?